Do you sometimes despair about how divided our nation has become? Are you struggling to understand how things got this way, and why? Would you like to join others in working towards solutions? If you said yes, join host Anthony Flaccavento for “Two Worlds, One Country: Understanding and Overcoming the Rural/Urban Divide”. He is joined by many of the leading doers and thinkers from across the country and they dive into the causes of the divide and explore how to overcome it.
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Shades of Gray in the White Working Class with Andy Levison
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Anthony is joined by Andy Levison, Contributing Editor to The Democratic Strategist and author of The White Working Class Today: Who They Are, How They Think and How Progressives Can Regain Their Support, as they discuss the differences withing this broad group of voters, including his distinction between “Cultural Traditionalists” and “MAGA Extrem…
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Why Long-time Dems Went for Trump with Stephanie Muravchik
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Anthony is joined by Stephanie Muravchik to discuss her book, Trump’s Democrats, which examined three communities, one rural, one a small town and the other a small city, which had voted Democratic for at least four decades but went for Donald Trump in 2016. She explores the details of why Trump appealed to these long-time Dems.…
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The Power of Fox and Right Wing Media - An Interview with Reece Peck.
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In this interview with Reece Peck, the author of "Fox Populism: Branding Conservatism as Working Class", Two Worlds, One Country explores how and why Fox News has built such a strong and enduring loyalty among a major segment of the American public. Hint: There's much more to Fox than what most liberals believe!…
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From Coal Country to Clean Energy with Heidi Binko
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Heidi Binko is Co-Founder and Executive Director of the Just Transition Fund, a funding and advocacy group dedicated to helping rural communities transition away from fossil fuels. She discusses alternatives for coal towns and centering local communities in environmental activism. [1:14] Getting involved in clean energy [8:02] What could a just tra…
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Green Energy—Building for the Future with Joe Fortier
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Joe Fortier is the owner of two construction companies in the Radford, VA area specializing in green, energy-efficient housing initiatives. He talks getting his start in green construction and how we can build a more sustainable future. [1:31] From stay-at-home dad to small business owner [6:07] How we can build better buildings [12:43] Energy-effi…
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Dwayne McIntyre on A Better Future for Farming—Diverse, Local, Sustainable
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Dwayne McIntyre is the owner of Goshen Homestead, a 110 acre family farm, and a friend of Anthony’s. He talks his farmstead operation, sustainable agriculture practices, and his take on federal regulations for small farmers. [1:45] Pennsylvania Amish roots [9:22] How Goshen Homestead is rethinking agriculture [16:06] Mobilizing local capital—crowdf…
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What could Appalachia look like after Coal? with Brandon Dennison
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Brandon Dennison is the founder and CEO of Coalfield Development. He talks his 33/6/3 hour training model, creating sustainable businesses, and his vision for rebuilding the Appalachian economy. [2:01] Growing up in West Virginia [9:03] 33/6/3 model—building jobs for disadvantaged people [15:20] Is it really true that people don’t want to work? [19…
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Anthony on How We Can Revitalize Rural Communities
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Anthony tackles a solo episode about Rural Urban Bridge Initiative (RUBI)’s latest projects, in particular RUBI’s joint work with the Progressive Democrats of America on the recently released Rural New Deal guidelines. [3:23] What is the Rural New Deal? [6:53] Rural health care needs revamping [11:52] Farming for a better future [18:49] Restoring A…
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Moving Beyond Capitalism with Marjorie Kelly
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Marjorie Kelly is an author and Senior Fellow at the Democracy Collaborative. She talks the structure of capitalism, how we can do better, and more, from her newest book Wealth Supremacy: How the Extractive Economy and the Biased Rules of Capitalism Drive Today’s Crises. [1:52] Why capitalism is so crazy [6:22] No amount of wealth is ever enough [1…
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The Original Community Works Project with Thomas Bates
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This is the third part in our three-part series on Community Works. Thomas Bates is an ex-federal prosecutor and the founder of Democrats Work, a precursor to Community Works. He discusses Democrats Work’s experiment with a service-based approach to politics and the path forward he sees for Democratic politics today. [1:29] Getting his start in cam…
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Implementing Community Works with Skip Halpern
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This is the second part in our three-part series on Community Works. Skip Halpern is an author, ex-lawyer, and chair of the Page County Democratic Committee. He talks why he moved to rural Virginia, his take on the rural-urban divide, and the work he’s doing with RUBI’s Community Works program. [2:34] Skip’s background in financial law [6:14] Why i…
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Politics Based on Doing Stuff with Meredith Dean
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This is the first part in our three-part series on Community Works. Meredith Dean is Executive Director of Community Works at RUBI as well as the founder of both Healthy Floyd and Appalachian Women of Action. Meredith talks her background in organizing, breaking down liberal stereotypes of rural people, and Community Works—which encourages Democrat…
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Small Businesses in Rural Areas with Kimber Lanning
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Kimber Lanning is an entrepreneur and the founder and CEO of Local First Arizona, an organization that supports local entrepreneurs and economies. She talks her background in arts entrepreneurship, the mission of Local First Arizona, and how small business can help rural economies. [3:22] Developing Phoenix’s arts district [8:11] Can entrepreneursh…
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Dan Shea is a professor of Government at Colby College and the author of many books, most recently The Rural Voter: The Politics of Place and The Disuniting of America. Dan talks campaign consulting in upstate New York, the largest survey of rural voters ever done, and why conspiracy theorists aren’t as common as you might think. [3:30] Starting ou…
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Stacy Mitchell on Anti-Trust Laws and Monopoly Politics
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Anthony and Stacy Mitchell (Co-Executive Director for the Institute for Local Self Reliance) continue their discussion from part one. They dive into why the right is now the party of small business, the exploits of super-duo Lina Khan and Jonathan Kanter, and how big business robs autonomy and dignity from democracies. [1:42] Why small businesses m…
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A Re-Introduction to Walmart and Amazon with Stacy Mitchell
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Stacy Mitchell is Co-Executive Director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance and author of the book Big Box Swindle, as well as articles for The Atlantic, New York Times, and more. Stacy talks how Walmart and dollar chains took over, how Amazon dwarfs them all, and ILSR’s work to stop monopoly power both locally and nationally. [1:35] Growing u…
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Can government work for the people? with Luke Mayville
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Luke Mayville is the founder and director of Reclaim Idaho, a grassroots organizing movement with a history of spearheading successful ballot initiatives in Idaho. Luke talks growing up in an evangelical small town, Reclaim Idaho’s grassroots organizing, and their current voting reform project. [1:53] Growing up evangelical, getting a PhD in philos…
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Progressive Journalism for Rural Audiences with Lark Corbeil
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Lark Corbeil is an experienced journalist and the founder of Public News Service, which reaches roughly 50 million people per week through news services in 37 states, as well as the non-profit Media in the Public Interest. Lark talks growing up in two different worlds, getting her start in journalism, and founding the biggest non-profit news servic…
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Organizing in Working-Class America with Matt Morrison
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Matt Morrison is the Executive Director of Working America, the largest non-union labor group in the country fighting for workers’ rights and a fair economy. Matt talks about growing up as a journalist’s kid, race and labor rights in St. Louis, and strategies for results-based organizing in working-class America. Originally aired May 25, 2023, WEHC…
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Richard Moyer is a full-time organic farmer and part-time professor of biology at King University in Bristol, VA. In this episode, Anthony and Richard talk farming and its challenges, efforts to be more self-sufficient in our homes and communities, and what seems to work to help build trust and begin to overcome the divide. This originally aired on…
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Farah Stockman is an award-winning journalist, a member of the Editorial Board of the New York Times, and author of American Made: What Happens to People When Work Disappears. In this segment, Farah talks about the people she came to know and what she learned from them as she explored the closure of an Indiana ball bearing factory due to off-shorin…
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Chloe Maxmin and Canyon Woodward-part 2
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In this two-part segment, former Maine State Senator Chloe Maxmin and her campaign manager and colleague, Canyon Woodward, discuss how Chloe was able to win two elections in rural districts of Maine, and how that experience laid the foundation for their new organization Dirt Road Organizing. The first segment focuses on their respective backgrounds…
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Chloe Maxmin and Canyon Woodward-part 1
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In this two-part segment, former Maine State Senator Chloe Maxmin and her campaign manager and colleague, Canyon Woodward, discuss how Chloe was able to win two elections in rural districts of Maine, and how that experience laid the foundation for their new organization Dirt Road Organizing. The first segment focuses on their respective backgrounds…
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Best selling author, Beth Macy, joins Two Worlds to discuss how being raised in poverty in a small Ohio town helped steer her into a journalism and writing career dedicated to lifting up the stories of folks who are struggling, whether due to offshoring of their jobs, the opioid epidemic or other issues https://feeds.captivate.fm/two-worlds-one-cou…
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Josh Ewing, director of the Rural Climate Initiative, joins Anthony for a discussion of how RCI approaches climate issues and problems in a way that builds support from farmers and rural people, rather than putting them on the defensive. https://feeds.captivate.fm/two-worlds-one-country/Oleh WEHC
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Winning back the Midwest with Paul Kendrick
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Paul Kendrick is a professor, author, and the Executive Director of Rust Belt Rising, an organization that trains Democrats to connect with rural and working class voters in the Midwest. He explains what Rust Belt Rising does and how he sees the Democratic party moving forward to support working-class people. [2:01] Background in organizing for edu…
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Engaging Rural Black/Latino Voters with Cynthia Wallace
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Cynthia Wallace is a former congressional candidate and the founder of New Rural Project, which encourages rural citizens of North Carolina to become politically active. She discusses her background in community politics, campaigning for Congress, and engaging rural Black and Latino voters at the New Rural Project. [2:30] Growing up in rural Georgi…
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Anthony vs. Krugman: Is Paul Krugman Right about Rural Rage?
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Anthony takes on a recent NY Times piece by Paul Krugman, entitled “Can Anything Be Done to Assuage Rural Rage?,” and similar work by liberal pundits. He discusses whether rural people are underrepresented in politics, if government assistance is unfairly concentrated in rural areas, and whether or not rural people are respected by urban elites. [3…
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George Goehl is a community organizer and the founder of People’s Action. Anthony and George pick up their conversation from part 1 with a deep dive into deep canvassing. [2:15] Deep canvassing on immigration [8:28] Do deep canvassing results stick? [17:25] Breaking down the rural-urban divide with conversations [24:10] George’s community organizin…
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Intro to Community Organizing with George Goehl
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George Goehl is a community organizer and the founder of People’s Action, a national progressive advocacy organization. He talks getting clean and organizing at his soup kitchen, founding People’s Action, and how rural organizing differs from urban organizing. [7:16] From the ground up: getting clean and the soup kitchen [11:39] So what does People…
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How to Communicate with Conservatives with Erica Etelson
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Erica Etelson is an activist, former lawyer, and co-founder of RUBI. She explains what she learned writing her book, Beyond Contempt: How Liberals Can Communicate Across the Great Divide, about how and why respectful communication is so important. [4:10] Why the left needs non-defensive communication [11:08] Listening to conservatives [16:16] How l…
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How Do Democrats Succeed in Rural Areas? with Cody Lonning
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Cody Lonning is a lawyer, professor at Eastern Washington University, and a co-founder of RUBI. He discusses his path to RUBI and his work on the recent report about Democratic success in rural America. [1:24] Growing up farming [5:18] Getting involved with RUBI [10:28] Why Democrats should care about rural areas [13:28] RUBI report: “Can Democrats…
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Middle Class, Meritocracy, and (Mis)-Education with Joan Williams
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Joan Williams is Director of the Centre for WorkLife Law, a professor at the University of California—Hastings School of Law, and author of White Working Class, among others. Joan compares America’s middle class with its elites, talks the role masculinity plays in politics, and explains the divide that college education causes. [2:57] What middle s…
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The Other Side of the Rural Conservative with Kathy Cramer
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Dr. Kathy Cramer is co-founder of the Rural Urban Bridge Initiative, professor of political science at UW-Madison, and author of the book The Politics of Resentment. Kathy talks hearing from rural Wisconsinites in gas stations and church basements, the concentration of resources and respect in urban centers, and answers, “are rural conservatives ar…
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Host Anthony Flaccavento is an organic farmer, writer, former candidate for Congress, and the founder of the Rural Urban Bridge Initiative. Anthony explains his own background, why he thinks America is so divided, and what Two Worlds, One Country is going to do about it. [1:58] Anthony’s background [7:40] An intro to the podcast [13:55] Why are Ame…
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