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For this episode, Cameo and Tim caught up with Professor Jessica Cattelino of the University of California Los Angeles. Jessica is a sociocultural anthropologist who has worked extensively with Seminole people of Florida in the United States. Her first book High Stakes: Florida Seminole Gaming and Sovereignty (Duke, 2008), explores sovereignty and the politicisation of gaming, while her soon to be released second book, follows water in the Florida Everglades. Both works develop critical approaches to recognition politics, settler colonialism and Indigeneity, with relevance across settler states. The conversation also covers Jessica’s approach to service and governance within the academy, and the ways in which it reproduces societal structures and inequities. Interested in learning more? Jessica recommends Melanie Yazzie and Cutcha Risling Baldy’s introduction to their special issue of Decolonization: Indigeneity Education & Society, “Indigenous Peoples and the Politics of Water”; Teresa Montoya’s work on permeability; Courtney Lewis’s book, Sovereign Entrepreneurs: Cherokee Small-Business Owners and the Making of Economic Sovereignty; and Carla Scaramelli’s book, How to Make a Wetland: Water and Moral Ecology in Turkey. Show Credits Lead Production: Cameo Dalley Editing: Cameo Dalley and Tim Neale This conversation was recorded by Tim Neale on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation. Check us out on Twitter @ anthroconvo and our website anthroconvo.com