The Meaning of Financial Freedom | REI Show - Hard Money for Real Estate Investors

Passive Income, Active Wealth - Hard Money for Real Estate Investing

Bill Fairman

00:00:00

I don't even see it up there. Oh, hi folks, bill Fairman here. We are going to talk about what freedom financial freedom actually means to you right after this greetings from the grand downtown rock hill, South Carolina. Woohoo. We are Carolina capital management. Thank you so much for joining us on the real estate investor show hard money for real estate investors. Wendy reminds me. I have to smile.

Wendy Sweet

00:00:57

You can do it. You can talk. At the same time.

Bill Fairman

00:01:00

We are Carolina capital management. We are private lenders in the Southeast for real estate professionals. And if you have a project that you would like us to take a look at good Carolina, hard money.com, click on the apply. Now tab. If you are a passive investor looking for passive returns, then click on the accredited investor tab. Don't forget to like share subscribe, hit the bell. And don't forget about Wednesdays with Wendy. Wow. That

Wendy Sweet

00:01:35

Was cool. And short and sweet. And it matched my junior high school school colors. That's

Bill Fairman

00:01:40

Right. Very nice. So Wendy donates 30 minutes of her day per person on Wednesdays to talking about real estate. She's usually booked up a couple of months in advance. So there's the link. It will be over in the comments and questions side, which is either gonna be on the right hand side of your screen or underneath, depending on the platform that you are viewing us from. Well, since we teased it last week, this show is recorded.

Wendy Sweet

00:02:08

That's

Bill Fairman

00:02:08

Right. So we don't have any breaking news because that would've been last week's news.

Wendy Sweet

00:02:12

That's right. We don't know. We can't see into the future. Although sometimes we claim that we do, but we really can't.

Jonathan Davis

00:02:18

I mean, when it works out, you have any

Bill Fairman

00:02:19

Additional commentary you'd like to add for the fake breaking news for

Jonathan Davis

00:02:23

The fake breaking news.

Wendy Sweet

00:02:24

Yeah.

Jonathan Davis

00:02:26

No, but no breaking news, but you know, we are, we, we would where we're at, like the first month in 17 months where homes are selling under asking price. Oh

Bill Fairman

00:02:38

Nice.

Wendy Sweet

00:02:38

Yeah. Yeah. That's so amazing.

Jonathan Davis

00:02:39

The first time is 17 months homes are now selling under asking price.

Bill Fairman

00:02:43

It must be a crash.

Jonathan Davis

00:02:45

That's what they would have you believe. Yeah.

Bill Fairman

00:02:47

Do you remember back in the day when people actually negotiated price?

Jonathan Davis

00:02:52

No one knows what negotiation means anymore.

Wendy Sweet

00:02:54

Well, we do now and that's, you know, that's something that investors really need to, especially wholesalers. And rehabers really need to understand that because if you're using cops from six months ago, they're not real, are they? They're real. They're just not relevant. Yeah, that's right. You need to use the ones from, from very, very, you know, past 30 days or less, or from the future, you know,

Jonathan Davis

00:03:15

You can do that,

Wendy Sweet

00:03:17

Which is what we do

Bill Fairman

00:03:19

Kind of our point here is that you don't wanna hear, you don't wanna listen to the noise. The noise is just that it's noise. We were not in a normal market. We haven't been in a normal market and several years. Yeah. It has been crazy out there. And all we're doing is we're coming back

Wendy Sweet

00:03:34

To reality,

Bill Fairman

00:03:35

To a normal market. And we're still above the, the normal market. Yeah. Yes. I mean, we really need 60 to 90 days on market for homes and we still don't have that yet.

Jonathan Davis

00:03:46

I mean, the, the average home value, I think is like 3 75 now, which is way more than it was two years ago. Yeah.

Bill Fairman

00:03:52

And listen, I don't see the days on market slowing down an awful lot. I mean, it's gonna come down. I get it. But we, we still, yeah, but

Wendy Sweet

00:04:02

We change, sorry. We had this

Jonathan Davis

00:04:04

Conversation the other day and it really got me

Wendy Sweet

00:04:06

Stop limit me around.

Bill Fairman

00:04:08

We still have a housing shortage out there. We're about 5 million behind on new homes. Yeah. And we still create households. People still need a place to live.

Wendy Sweet

00:04:16

Rents are going up.

Bill Fairman

00:04:17

All right. So I'm going to pause right now for another fancy David Phelps moment.

Jonathan Davis

00:04:32

I just took a deep breath, man. That's how I feel when I'm around David. So yeah, that's really, really relevant.

Bill Fairman

00:04:38

David has been gracious enough to give us two shows. He's an awesome guy, great friend of ours. Let's bring him on. Thank you so much for joining us. David

David Phelps

00:04:49

Brush off the beach. I'm here.

Wendy Sweet

00:04:51

You get a sunburn from that.

Bill Fairman

00:04:56

So one of the great things that you do is you teach people, mainly private professionals,

Wendy Sweet

00:05:05

Doctors, dentists, but,

Bill Fairman

00:05:06

But anybody that wants to learn, cuz you have a lot of books out there about this too, is about being financially independent and, and free. So what does it mean to be financially free?

David Phelps

00:05:20

It's to have enough income, enough cash flow that's produced by investments. I like, I like asset based investments. So asset based income that will produce the cash flow that you need for your essential lifestyle, whatever that lifestyle is to me, that's financial freedom. And we'll go into more depth on what that, what that allows people to have, why I think it's important, but essentially financial freedom gives you choices and options. If you don't have to go to work or keep the business running or operating the way you've been doing it or putting up with certain people or clients or whatever it is you think you have to do when you have, when you're financially free, you can change the model. You can try things, you can test things, you can take new ideas on it. And that's that's I think the, the real goal in being financially free, it's not to do nothing.

David Phelps

00:06:11

It's not to be on that beach that you guys stuck me on for the last week. That was great. I don't, I don't, no, I can't live there forever, which is nice. I, I, I need to be doing something, but I wanna do it the way I wanna do it. I wanna work with people that I choose to work with that. I think we have some, some values in, in, in common that I can actually provide a service or a product that, that they actually appreciate. And there's an exchange for services. It's about the money, but it's at that point, not all about the money and that's what changes your whole mindset about always trying to, you know, eat out enough money to pay the bills and have a nice vacation. And maybe you get a better car. That's just the, the common we call the treadmill last week or the hamster wheel. Jonathan said that too many people are on. And it's just, it's just changing the mindset about how money works that can really change the lives of, of people at any, any dimension in their, their life, whether they're modest income earn, moving their way up or middle income or, or even higher income, which typically they have the hardest problem. High income actually have the harder problem with this than people that are a little bit lower on the scale.

Bill Fairman

00:07:20

Hmm. Interesting. Is, is that, do you think that's because they had that mindset of, they don't know what enough is yet.

David Phelps

00:07:28

Yeah, I think, I think, I think not knowing how much is enough. And then I think also there's that tendency to elevate one's lifestyle because as you earn more money, because you're more proficient efficient, better at what you do, better products or services. That's, that's great. We should all aspire to do that. As the income goes up, then typically it's like, well I need nicer things and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just, don't let that get out of hand. I, I, I'd rather see people make investments that can then provide for the nicer things that they choose to have.

Wendy Sweet

00:07:59

Well, one of the things that, that I think is so important that you teach through freedom founders is you, you allow people to have the fear removed what's gonna happen. If I stop, if you know, highly paid professional is, you know, their business is running great, as long as they're there, but when you're no longer there what's gonna happen. If I stop, how can I stop? I have this great fear of doing that. And you have just done an incredible job of teaching people that they can throw that fear out the window because alternatives, right?

David Phelps

00:08:41

Yeah. And it's, it's not even just to stop Wendy it's, it's just even to, to cut back a little bit or let's just be very pragmatic. It's getting home in time to actually have dinner and maybe go to your kids' soccer games. I hardworking people who just feel like they have to grind to your point. Don't know how much is enough. Feel like that they'll miss the opportunity. If they don't get all they can while they're young and energetic, but they miss out on the very thing that they can regret later in life. When they get to a point of quote retirement, don't like the word, but you know, retirement, but then where are the kids? Kids are gone. It's like, oh, but now I have the time I have some discretionary money. I could actually live my life that you missed out. And so giving permission back, removing the fear that people have by not having to grind and actually take some extra time off.

David Phelps

00:09:32

That's the biggest thing that, that showing people, how investments in alternatives, particularly real estate provides that sustainable passive income that can start to replace the need for the person, the hard worker to have to grind as hard as they grind. So you can start to taper it back. I've got docs that are, you know, in their thirties and forties, you've met many of them. They don't have any, any idea of, of giving up, you know, what they do anytime soon. But they just like the fact that they can actually take, you know, a full day off during the week or maybe a day and a half, or, you know, get it down to three days a week and not feel compelled to have to keep at that grind because everybody else is. And that's like Harrison factor that doesn't serve. Absolutely. That's pretty well at all.

Jonathan Davis

01:10:15

Yeah, no, you know, touch on, on financial freedom. It reminds me of a few episodes back. We had Chris miles on here and Dr. Phelps, I know you watched it, so I'm not gonna tell anything you don't know, but you know, he was on there. He's telling about, you know, the financial freedom model that everyone is prescribed in America. And the world abroad is invest, you know, put money into your 401k, you know, put money in savings. And he gave this, you know, description of his father retired and you know, was gonna draw on his 401k. And he wanted Chris to look at it. And Chris did and said, well, you're gonna have to die in about five years because that's all this is gonna last you. And like, and that was like the wake up point for him and, and his dad apparently too, but like that's not financially free. So, you know, that model of what we're prescribed, doesn't seem to work your model. David, can you kind of, I know you've kind of tiptoed around him, but can you kind of give us a little more of the nuts and bolts and the nuances of what you are telling your people, how to build this financial freedom and that, that maybe isn't 401k.

David Phelps

01:11:27

Yeah. The 401k, the traditional financial retirement model, as you describe it, Jonathan is an accumulation model. It, it is about discipline and discipline's important. That's taking money and, and putting it in a vehicle, this, this case, an IRA or a 401k, that's basically invested by somebody else. Who's gonna choose stocks, mutual funds, bonds, whatever. It might be kind a mixed financial portfolio. And, and that's supposed to just, just, you know, sit in those accounts and, and grow over over the years. Well, they grow. And then of course, then we have a market downturn and, and it, and it drops back down and, and back to contribution level this up and down what retirement requires, or let's just say removing yourself from active income, what it requires is cash flow, not at accumulation. It requires cash flow. The traditional model that we're talking about, the 401k does not provide for cash flow.

David Phelps

01:12:19

The, the whole game there is well build up as much as you can. And then you ask a financial advisor today. Well, how much should that be for, you know, any one person just, they can't give a really clear answer? Well, of course not because the, the, the variability in the economics today with inflation factors and, and all the volatility, they can't really. So what they tell people is just, well, as long as you can keep working, keep working, you know, well that's cause they wanna manage more, more the capital. There's a little bit of a incentive in there for, to keep, you know, keep managing their money. But the problem is they accumulation models based on you have so much. And they try to run these algorithms with this fancy software to say, okay, well, based on how much you've got here, we're trying to forecast, you know, another 25, 30 years down the road, how can they forecast the economic models?

David Phelps

01:13:03

Could they, could they forecast COVID could they forecast all the helicopter money we've had? Can they forecast? No, they can't forecast any of that. How do we do it with cash flow? Well, it's the fundamentals of real estate. As we know them very well is in as real estate keeps pace with inflation. So I don't think it's very healthy for our economy to be running it eight and a half or 9% inflation. The CPA CBI rate that we have now, that's not healthy, but you know what our assets, and you've already talked about it earlier, reds, go up the values, go up. So at least we can keep pace financial model, not, not the case. You start having to deplete that financial model, that accumulation model depleted over time and try not to run out of money. Chris miles talking about his father was looking at that saying, yeah, dad, you, you need to take out this much every year or two pay for your burn rate because there's no cash flow in this model.

David Phelps

01:13:50

It's just, you just stacked it up as high as you could get, but you only stacked up enough to last you five more years. You look at inflation rate today and let's just say, let's just, let's just P it at eight point half percent or even 8% to I do the math in my head, use the rule of cutting two every nine years with an 8% inflation rate, the purchasing power of your dollar or your a hundred thousand dollars or your million dollars, whatever you have is cut in half, cut in half. So you thought you had a million dollars. It was me. That's gonna work really well for me for the next next number of years. Oh, but gee, in nine years it's only gonna be worth half a million dollars. And then in another nine years, it's worth a quarter of a million dollars. How's that gonna work out when you've not attached your, your plan to a vehicle that actually keeps pace with inflation?

Bill Fairman

01:14:35

Very well said very well said. Yeah. And when, when you, when you look at that model as well, it has a lot to do with timing. I, I know our mutual friend, Ryan Parsons and Chris miles. I, I had discussions about this when you use that accumulation model, when you're using the 401k, putting money in the stock market, especially with the 401k we have. And then this is anecdotally, I don't have actual statistics on this, but everyone that I've known that

David Phelps

01:15:05

I'm surprised you don't,

Bill Fairman

01:15:08

That I know that has had a 401k over a period of 20 years, they end up with about the same amount of money yeah. That they had for their contribution and their employer's contribution. They made no more or no less, pretty much in that same ballpark. So having it in the stock market, really, for the most part over that long period of time, all it did was hold it in place.

David Phelps

01:15:32

Well, it's, it's, you know, it's it's wall street, wall street is a, you know, billions and billions of dollars, trillions of dollars platform, major marketing marketing platform, and essentially wall street indoctrinates the majority into thinking that's the plan. And so it's, it's just trying to change people's mindset to say, there is another way to do it, right? It's not as easy as cooking a mouse. It's not as easy as just, you know, having money pumped into your 401k. But if that plan's not gonna work, then I tell people, shouldn't you be considering something different, even if it means you have to do a little work and do get a little education to figure out how this is gonna happen. Doesn't that make sense for you? Otherwise, you're gonna be in a very nebulous place when you want to actually take your foot off the pedal of that active income and actually go into some transition to maybe some kind of retirement model. Whenever that might be, you can't do that with the accumulation model. It's just, it's not, not, it's not there.

Wendy Sweet

01:16:28

Yeah. Well, and just as inflation changes, so does your financial number, you know, depending on what age you are and you know, what's happened all around you, you know, how do you keep up with that change in what your number is? How often should people reevaluate where they are and where they're going?

David Phelps

01:16:52

Well, I think relatively often, and, and most people don't, you know, we talk about in businesses and I think you mentioned earlier, you know, Wendy about, about having, you know, a with, with a business, you know, you have a regular monthly, you know, financial meeting and you go through, you know, the expenses and, and the, the revenues and look at profit. And I think you've gotta do that on the personal side too, whether you do that yourself and you're using a QuickBooks, or you have a, you know, have a accountant or somebody can help you. But I think you've gotta look at it on a regular basis because there is creep even without high inflation there's creep. So you add inflation into the normal creep and, and, and things can get out of hand. So you've gotta keep a real eye on what that creep looks like and realize that, that it, it does increase over time, unless you really are judicious about, about removing the things that are no longer need to be part of that burn rate that we talked about

Bill Fairman

01:17:46

Something you okay, you're always taking a breath. I'm not sure. Well, the good, the good news is I'm taking breaths. So I, I know we all preach diversification in our real estate portfolios, and everyone has different goals with their freedoms, freedom. Some of it is traveling a lot. Some of it is, you know, making sure I have a legacy that I can pass on spending time with the grandkids. Yeah. Good causes that you wanna participate in. Do you feel like it's more important to own actual assets or to be a part of more passive invested in investing syndications funds? Yeah. And again, I, I know it probably depends on, on each person and what their goals are, but we'll just talk about you in your opinion, because of your lifestyle, what you wanna do. Are, are you more in the passive stuff or more in the property holdings? It's extravagant lifestyle driving around that 1996 Toyota. Yeah. Right. It's more of a, it's a Honda accord because they are the most

David Phelps

01:19:07

Reward.

Bill Fairman

01:19:07

It's expensive to operate over a period of time.

David Phelps

01:19:12

I, I think your answer is right. It depends. And it, it it's changed in my life. So when I'm younger and I have much more time than I have money or capital to invest, then it makes sense for me to put the time in and, and really own the specific assets. Like that's what I did. I started buying properties, rental properties. I got into understanding the, the note side or the debt side and, and, and financing properties and carrying paper or buying paper. But basically I was, I was involved in the operational aspect of, of locating, acquiring the, managing the, the, these particular assets when I was younger. And that made sense where I'm in my life today. No, I don't want, I don't wanna talk to another tenant. I I'm done. I'm done with that. I'd rather have somebody else managing my assets. And that's what I call, you know, one degree of separation from your money.

David Phelps

02:20:06

Now, if I'm managing my own stuff, then I'm, I'm, I'm fully engaged with that. I get to call the shots. And so that's control and control's good, but then control also requires time. I want more time back in my life. So I can, I, I can be one degree of separated, separated from my money by investing my money in Carolina capital, because I know bill Winnie and Jonathan, I, I, I get to know you, I meet with you. I break bread with you. I'm inside kind of inside like the boardroom of what's going on with how you're managing my money. That's as best I can get without doing it myself on wall street. I could never do that. I maybe I get some financial reports, but I never actually get to talk to the people, the principals who are actually running operations to really know what's going on inside the culture. You're very open and transparent. You, you talk to people all the time. You have Wednesdays with Wendy and you're you do these shows. And I can really get to know you and decide, you know, are these people that I really know, like and trust. And, and I want to be a past investor in this point in my life. So I think it just mattered depends upon where you are in building your, your game plan, your wealth plan as to how active or passive you might want to be.

Wendy Sweet

02:21:14

And it, the networking is so important in, you know, being involved in a community that has the same values and goals. People that are like-minded that networking is so very important. You know, we we'd love everybody in the world to put their money in our fund, but we also have friends that operate funds and syndications, and that we're happy to refer to other people because we know those operators as well. So, you know, you find one good one, you know, ask them, you know, who else would you recommend? Because we all kind of think alike. We, those of us that think alike stick together, and you've done such an incredible job of doing that through freedom founders, the, the, the group of people that you have chosen not only as trusted advisors, but the people that are coming in as members of freedom founders, it's, it's just amazing how you've been able to pull just the right matchup of people.

David Phelps

02:22:25

It, it is important to surround yourself with people that are like mine have similar, similar values and are on a similar path of, you know, again, in this case, you know, creating freedom, different ways to do that different definitions, but with the same mindset of, of, we don't have to follow the herd. You heard mentality the group, think of you do the 401ks. I mean, it's one of the first things that happened when people come, you know, to our group, right? Is, is they typically have, have the 401ks and they've done all that, but they really recognize very quickly that in a place where they are networked and associated with like-minded people that there is a no like, and trust element to it, that they can go off in a different path and be much more successful as their own financial advocates and not just advocating it to, you know, a platform like wall street.

Wendy Sweet

02:23:13

So, David you've, you've said this before, if your, your, your current self was talking to your younger self, what advice would you give yourself in starting off investing your, your 25 years old? What, what advice would you give yourself?

David Phelps

02:23:34

Well, I, I started about then at that age. And so that was a good thing. I got started. Just make a decision get started. So that's number one. What I, what, what I, what I could have done better. And maybe it wasn't my fault, but I, I, I would've found mentors like local mentors more quickly. And, you know, we didn't, this is back in the dinosaurs where we didn't have smart phones. We didn't have internet, we didn't have Facebook, we didn't have up groups. There probably was some kind of real estate group that, but you know, how do you, you know, I didn't know how to find them. I just, you know, just, I didn't know today, it's so easy to get connected. So I'd say, make the decision get started, but surround yourself, find somebody a group, or, you know, a mentor. What I have found is that, you know, I've been a mentor now to mentees in the same regard that I wish I would've had, where I have deployed capital.

David Phelps

02:24:32

And you do the same thing when you deploy capital with somebody who is, you know, boots on the ground investor, rehabbing houses to fix and flip or hold as a portfolio asset. They they'll, they'll ask you for advice. I mean, the smart ones will, the smart ones say, and of course you're not gonna loan money, unless you think the, the, the business plan is, is relevant, but no, you're there not only to deploy capital with them and help them with that aspect. But also you've got all these years of advice. Why not access that while you're building your plan?

Wendy Sweet

02:25:02

Exactly. That's, you know, that's what I try to tell my kids too. I try to remind them, remember, I've got 61 years of experience. So I, through all that stuff that you're, you're trying to avoid,

Bill Fairman

02:25:15

That's what you're thinking. You're just old.

Wendy Sweet

02:25:17

Yeah, that's true. That's

Bill Fairman

02:25:19

True. I don't need to be listening to them.

Wendy Sweet

02:25:21

It's it is tough. I often say I was never as smart as I was when I was 21. That's

David Phelps

02:25:27

All downhill.

Bill Fairman

02:25:28

Well, David, let's talk about your book inflation. I, I want to plug that, but I also, there's another one I wanna plug. As soon as we're done here, we'll have the link to the Amazon in the chat as well. Let, let's talk about your newest book first.

David Phelps

02:25:47

Yeah. The inflation book we published in April this year, I sort of saw the T leaves of what was probably coming. And so we got, got with it and wrote this book to give people a sense of what, what does, what does this mean in a time of inflation, which we haven't seen in 40 years, really, since the seventies in early eighties, did we not have inflation of this level? And what does that mean to the financial markets? What does that mean for people's retirement plans? What does that mean for, you know, all the financial plans that people put in place, there's gotta be some changes there. And so the book creates a lot of the economic backdrops of how, how this came to be, how we got to here. But most importantly, like what do we do going forward as our own financial advocates? So the books there, thanks for putting the link up.

Bill Fairman

02:26:29

Oh, absolutely. The other one, since we're talking about financial freedom, I want to talk about own your freedom. It's another book that is fairly recent. And you want to talk a little bit about that as well?

David Phelps

02:26:42

Yeah. Own your freedom. I co-wrote with one of my mentors, Dan Kennedy, who has, who I've spent a lot of time with. And so we co-wrote the book we had. We, we outlined it. So didn't really be a lot of the fundamentals of how, how money works, the mindset of money. We each wrote separate chapters, but they, they, they, they cross pollinate each other. So you get to hear two different voices, different experiences. I'm very pleased with that book, cuz I think at a, at a very high level, it has something in there for everybody, no matter where you are in your life, what age you are, there's concepts that it's really a book of concepts. I'm not giving specific strategies about how to go out and you know, flip houses or you know how to invest your money per se. But it's a lot of key concepts that I, I wanna make it an evergreen book that would be kind of a, a really a staple in somebody's library if they chose to, to utilize it.

Wendy Sweet

02:27:35

Well. And then your other book too, I have to talk about this. When we talked about the next gen and what you would say to your younger self, what's the book that is good for your teens and young twenties,

Bill Fairman

02:27:49

The apprentice

Wendy Sweet

02:27:50

Model. Yeah. The apprentice model. That one, I, I gave that to both my kids and both my

David Phelps

02:27:57

Sons. Well, yeah, yeah. Oh, thank you. There. I was looking for it. I should be on a shelf here somewhere close by. Shouldn't have funny how that works. The apprentice model. Yeah. That's a book I wrote a few years ago really to, to focus on next gen younger generation. And, and you know, some of the concepts we talked about today about, about, you know, getting started early and realizing there's different pathways to get to freedom. You don't have to get degree after degree after degree in college or graduate school. It's not, it's not a requirement at all. Now. I'm not saying it's not something for some people to do, but I think there's better pass. And the defense model is really based on a mentor, mentee experience, find people in business or investing or real estate that, that are good people that you value who they are as a person and their values and that they also have some business or investing sense. Just go work for them. I don't care what you make. You know, that's not the important part. It's just go work for 'em for six months a year, get the experience. It's the best thing you can do as a young person before you get out and get kind of roped into to a, a career path, you'll have a much bigger exposure to the world and really what's important for you.

Wendy Sweet

02:29:07

Yeah,

Bill Fairman

02:29:08

Well frankly, that's the way the trades all used to work. Yeah.

Wendy Sweet

02:29:12

The

Bill Fairman

02:29:13

That's why we have a shortage. Tradesmen is because you don't have that apprentice model anymore. And the guidance counselors at all, the high schools pushed you into a four year college and it's

Wendy Sweet

02:29:26

Almost like they get a kickback, isn't it?

Bill Fairman

02:29:28

Well, here, here's the thing. If, if you are, if you have any business acumen at all and you follow an apprenticeship model yourself, you can be in business for five years and then open up your own place and make tons of money

Wendy Sweet

02:29:45

Easily and be happy in what you

Bill Fairman

02:29:46

Do. Yes, absolutely.

David Phelps

02:29:48

David. So yeah. There's I was gonna say there's, there's, there's so many skill outside of a technical expertise skillsets that are transferable sales, communication, marketing, just understanding the operations of the business. Anybody can take those degree or no degree and go run with that. And I think those are important skill sets that, that are missing badly today.

Wendy Sweet

03:30:09

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Bill Fairman

03:30:11

Listen, I, I appreciate you being so gracious. Yes. Thank you. Coming on and spending all this extra time with us,

Wendy Sweet

03:30:19

It's been great.

Bill Fairman

03:30:20

It's been an awesome show. I know it's be beneficial to a lot of folks out there and can't wait to see you in October. Yeah. Weeks, but it's a little more in a few weeks, but it's close enough.

David Phelps

03:30:34

Well, I'm back to the green room, the beach and the Mar

Bill Fairman

03:30:40

Food going now.

Wendy Sweet

03:30:42

Are you gonna be at quest? You're gonna be at the quest event.

David Phelps

03:30:44

I'm not gonna be able to make that one. I can't.

Wendy Sweet

03:30:46

Oh, I hate we're gonna miss you there. Yeah,

Bill Fairman

03:30:49

Well it's okay. It's hot and humid.

Wendy Sweet

03:30:50

That's right. Well who lives there?

David Phelps

03:30:53

Not the hotel, the hotel.

Bill Fairman

03:30:59

So anyway, thanks again for joining us. Thank you, Dave folks.

David Phelps

03:31:04

Good. See you.

Wendy Sweet

03:31:11

Yeah.

Bill Fairman

03:31:11

Okay. So I forgot something, which is our question of the week. What is your financial focus? Priorities values is your money management in line with all of that. And you can leave a comment in the comment section and we will get to the answers on the following show. Since we're doing all these in advance, it's hard for me to keep up with them. Anything else we need to put?

Wendy Sweet

03:31:40

Yeah. Just say, bye.

Bill Fairman

03:31:41

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