Ari Rabin-Havt on campaigning with Bernie and swimming with sharks


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This week, we're joined by Ari Rabin-Havt, a longtime advisor to Sen. Bernie Sanders--and the progressive firebrand's deputy campaign manager in 2020--to talk about his book, The Fighting Soul: On the Road with Bernie Sanders, and his love of diving with and photographing sharks. (Check out some of Ari's amazing images of these beautiful and misunderstood animals here.)

Then we're joined by Laura Chapin, who has had enough of DC pundits lecturing people who have long been fighting for the right to an abortion about how to talk about the issue.


  • Postmodern Jukebox: "Don't Stop Believin'"
  • Talking Heads: "The Lady Don't Mind"
  • Gorillaz: "Dracula"

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