We believe that digital transformation efforts make companies and communities more resilient. In the API Resilience podcast you'll listen to guests from industry leading API teams sharing their views about the current trends of the API economy. We also bring you insights that your API team will be able to use, and even explain to your management on how APIs can help your company cope, resurge, and thrive during and after this pandemic. The host is Kristof Van Tomme.
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What are your business incentives? Shifts and Effects in the API world - Discussion with Zdenek Nemec
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Are there negative values when opening up API programs? Can an AI agent be more than a virtual co-worker that works under supervision? In this episode, Zdenek Nemec (Founder and CTO at Superface) and Kristof Van Tomme explore the attention economy and the effects of shutting down successful social networks for profit. They also delve into the role …
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Monetization and global markets - Discussion with David O’Neill
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In this episode, David O’Neill (APIContext) reflects on the current API landscape through the lens of global market trends and recurring cycles in the tech space. Commenting on the current AI boom, David shares some cautionary advice about AI hallucinations and the importance of an internal source of truth.…
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The role of documentation in a niche field - Conversation with Daria Lutchenko
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A research-heavy field can be difficult to navigate for the layperson. In this case, documentation is an invaluable bridge connecting services and customers. In this episode, Daria Lutchenko (UP42) explains the value of concise and coherent documentation that allows providers to keep up their end of the “social contract”.…
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‘A system is more than a sum of its parts’ - discussion with Stefan Verstraeten
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How can one ensure that their business remains sustainable? What are the key principles of value-based selling? Is it possible to create a fair distribution of value? In this episode, Stefan Verstraeten (Head of Value at TomTom) discusses these questions, and explains how complexity science as a mental model can help to better understand the way th…
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APIs as Utilities - Conversation with Alicia Miller and Joshua Markham
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APIs are undergoing a transformative shift, and the mindset surrounding APIs is also evolving. In this episode, Kristof Van Tomme is joined by Alicia Miller and Joshua Markham (Verizon), and they explore the concept of APIs as utilities, what it means to approach APIs with a utility mindset, as well as the future of applications in the age of LLMs.…
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Constructive criticality: the intersection of residuality theory and business strategy - Discussion with Barry O’Reilly
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The key to successful architecture isn’t the beautiful design with the perfect abstractions; it is more about knowing what can go wrong and where the fragile areas are. In this episode, Barry O’Reilly (Founder at Black Tulip Technology) shares his experience as an architect with Kristof Van Tomme and points out how residuality theory can help us be…
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The technical and social contracts of APIs - Discussion with Marsh Gardiner
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The way we think about the future of APIs can take many different forms. In this episode, Marsh Gardiner and Kristof Van Tomme approach the subject from several angles. They discuss questions like: Why can we say that APIs are interface utilities? How does the network effect work? Can we call APIs infrastructure? Marsh's #APIFutures post: https://s…
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Boundaries and interfaces - Conversation with Koichi Shiroma
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In this episode, Koichi Shiroma (Principal Consultant) narrates his journey of how his team implemented an interface portal. With Kristof Van Tomme, they discuss what can be the business drivers for interface portals and what obstacles one has to overcome during the implementation. Resources: https://pronovix.com/articles/apis-are-interface-utiliti…
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Complex systems, generative AI and affordance-centric APIs - Conversation with Michael Hibay and Mike Amundsen
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In this episode, Michael Hibay (API Platform Architect at WSFS Bank) and Mike Amundsen (Amundsen,com, Inc.) deep dive into the topic of hypermedia, complex systems, Domain Driven Design, and generative AI. They explore the questions of what hypermedia API is, what an API affordance catalog can be, and how language models can be applied on the clien…
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The world of Kubernetes and APIs - Conversation with Viktor Farcic
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Why can we treat Kubernetes as an open standard that enables computing to become a utility? In this episode, Viktor Farcic (Developer Advocate at Upbound) explains why we can say that Kubernetes is an extensible API, and highlights that an API has no tangible usefulness by itself. With Kristof Van Tomme, they also deep dive into the fundamentals of…
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What does “good” look like to you? - Conversation with Chris McDermott, Part 2
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The final installment of the Complexity series ends this collection of interviews on a high note. In this episode, we dive deeper into the practical application of social practice theory, the optimization of transformative processes, and the value of maturity with the help of our guest, Chris McDermott (Lean Agile Coach & Principal Consultant at Co…
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How can social sciences benefit software developers? - Conversation with Chris McDermott Part 1
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In the first part of the finale of the Complexity series, hosts Kristof Van Tomme (CEO and co-founder at Pronovix) and Marc Burgauer (Principal Consultant and Co-founder at Contextualise) interview Lean Agile coach and Contextualise co-founder, Chris McDermott who explains how he helps leaders navigate uncertainty through honest conversations, how …
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The revolution of composability - A conversation with John Doyle and Henk Beld
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In this time of ever changing demands, it is more important than ever to remain flexible and react swiftly to change. In this episode, John Doyle (CEO at Digital Polygon) and Henk Beld (Solutions Architect at Amazee.io) explain how composability can help you break down monoliths into smaller, interchangeable components that allow you to keep up wit…
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Emerging trends in the open banking landscape - A conversation with Jorgos Tsovilis and Thorben Peter
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Innopay's Open Banking Monitor offers a valuable and unique insight into banking APIs on a global scale. In this episode, Jorgos Tsovilis (Senior Consultant) and Thorben Peter (Junior Consultant) explain the evaluation process behind the monitor and share their thoughts on current and emerging trends in the open banking space. Innopay Open Banking …
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A superior technology doesn’t mean success - Interview with Dawn Ahukanna, part 2
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We continue our talk with Dawn Ahukanna (Design Principal and Front-End Architect at IBM). She points out the importance of variability and sheds light on what makes an API successful. Dawn also makes an exciting analogy between REST and SOAP APIs and the VHS and Betamax cassette formats. In this conversation, we also deep dive into how one can def…
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Mixing desk versus three buttons: what is the right thing for your audience? - Conversation with Dawn Ahukanna, part 1
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In this episode, we discuss with Dawn Ahukanna (Design Principal and Front-End Architect at IBM) why it is essential to acknowledge the whole spectrum instead of the pieces and how it can help if one keeps in mind the end and works backwards. Dawn also mentions how one can make an effective change.
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API-soup into API platform - Conversation with Jabe Bloom - part 2
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We continue with our conversation with Jabe Bloom. In this second episode we talk about how organizational design is still stuck in organizational engineering, how to get beyond that, and how we have to rethink our understanding of roles. Jabe explains Alicia Juarrero’s term or neurological recursion using high-school cliques, how do complex system…
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Complexity is a pharmakon - Conversation with Jabe Bloom - part 1
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We talk with Jabe Bloom about how building software in enterprise is a philosophical argument and how knowing some philosophy can help. What is a pharmakon, and what is the Goldilocks space of complexity. Technical debt as an example of how deterministic systems can have agency within a socio-technical system. The origin story of Jabe’s model of th…
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What do you need to go along with a decision? Conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler - part 2
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In the 2nd part of our conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler (Strategic software delivery consultant and Domain-Driven Design expert, Xebia) we discussed why most organizational changes don't work, and what are the four ways of Deep Democracy that can help move into a decision making. It’s always important to ask: “What do you need to go along wit…
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Create fluidity and get the conflicts out! Conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler - part 1
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We had a conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler (from Xebia), who is a strategic software delivery consultant and software architect with a focus on socio-technical systems. With his guidance, we deep-dived into Domain-Driven Design (DDD) and Deep Democracy. How can fluidity and upfront communication help to create a shared language and understand …
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We shouldn't automate management just yet. Conversation with Prof Alicia Juarrero - part 2
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Continuing our conversation with Alicia Juarrero, we go deeper on enabling constraints, specifically catalysts and feedback loops, emergence, what this means for management and why in complexity you need to start with context. Our guest is Professor Alicia Juarrero, a leading complexity theory philosopher and academic, as well as the founder and pr…
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Complex systems remember their past - Conversation with Prof Alicia Juarrero - part 1
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We talk about constraints, especially temporal and enabling constraints in complexity theory, how complex systems remember their past and what we can learn from boundaries in complex systems for APIs. Our guest is Professor Alicia Juarrero, a leading complexity theory philosopher and academic, as well as the founder and president of VectorAnalytica…
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Show me your change process! Conversation with Matthew Reinbold - part 2
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In part 2 of our conversation with Matthew Reinbold, Digital Engagement Lead at Concentrix Catalyst API Practice group, we discuss how governance should drive change towards the desired behaviors, and why governance needs to have "power with" (not "power over") for sustainable change. It is a grave mistake to assume that all of digital transformati…
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Show me your change process! Conversation with Matthew Reinbold - part 1
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We got into a long conversation with Matthew Reinbold, Digital Engagement Lead at Concentrix Catalyst API Practice group, about how to get the outcomes you want from a transformation effort. APIs enable change, but they need to be accompanied by governance that drives the desired behaviors. Emergent behavior is essential, but it also crashed the st…
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Opening episode: APIs and Deliberate Complexity
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If you've ever wondered how APIs change organizations, our communities and our society, look no further, this is the podcast you've been searching for. How we transform organizations is a complex problem. We need to explain emergence, and create the conditions that makes it much more likely for certain things to happen. Thinking that you can just i…
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Creating More Resilient Systems: an Introduction to Affordances -- Interview with Micheal Hibay, pt 1
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Michael Hibay is an API evangelist, architect and CTO at Vesti. He helps organizations to establish, evolve and mature their API strategies. What’s the difference between an API catalogue and an affordance catalogue? What are affordances and how do they define the usability of a system? Why are affordances similar to languages? The interview got sp…
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Building Digital Ecosystems - Digital Experience and Developer Experience - Interview with Nick Veenhof (Dropsolid)
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In this episode: What specialization has to do with the evolution of organizations and why is it essential to think about companies as part of complex (digital) ecosystems? Nick Veenhof is the CTO of Dropsolid, a Digital Experience company, offering a single platform driven by various Open Source technologies. Tune in and learn about: What’s the di…
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Transforming Organizations: API Adoption and (Internal) Developer Advocacy - Interview with Raymond Peng (Google)
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In this episode: What does Coca Cola’s product and marketing philosophy have to do with APIs and how can investing in homegrown API management be a bad idea? In most organizations internal adoption and knowledge sharing is also crucial for success in addition to creating APIs. In this episode Raymond and Kristof discussed why internal advocacy and …
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“Developer Marketing Does Not Exist” - Interview with Adam DuVander
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In this episode: When you are reaching out to developers, traditional marketing solutions like leadgen forms or ppc ads won’t work on their own. What is the right approach then? How to convince developers to use your products or services? In this episode Adam DuVander (principal consultant at Every Developer) and Kristof Van Tomme (CEO at Pronovix)…
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In this episode Mark and Kristof did a retrospective discussion on the past episodes and Mark said farewell to the listeners as he will no longer co-host the podcast. API resilience started in 2020 June to explore how companies can become more resilient and create business value by investing in their API programs, even in such unprecedented times a…
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Transition from code-first to design-first: growing the API program at SAS
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SAS is a leading business analytics software company, and also the largest independent vendor in the business intelligence market. In this episode Jeannie Hawrysz (Lead API Architect and Manager of API and Developer Program Enablement) talked about their team efforts to set new standards for their API program during the time of pandemia. She explai…
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Building and running a successful API Program in a high-asset travel company
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TUI (Touristik Union International) is the largest leisure, travel and tourism company in the world. In episode 2 Robin Meissner (Head of API transformation) talked about TUI’s digital transformation efforts in the past 2 years from the first API they published to the future API and interface ecosystem he envisions for TUI. Tune in and learn: TUI i…
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Creating personalized experiences through APIs in the travel industry
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Robin Meissner is the Head of API transformation at TUI AG (Touristik Union International), the largest leisure, travel and tourism company in the world. In the first episode Robin and the hosts, Kristof Van Tomme and Mark Winberry took an “API-philosophic” angle and discussed how APIs could help create more personalized, diverse and unique experie…
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Journey of a transformation into a Consumer, API First company w/ Maarten Roosendaal (bol.com)
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Maarten has been an IT architect and now moved into a position of being a product manager and product owner of a retailer API at bol.com. In this episode he will take us on a journey of a remarkable transformation over his 10 years at bol.com. Bol.com started off as a small e-commerce book company experiencing rapid growth, which also meant a reall…
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Digital transformation in public broadcasting w/ Roberto Salomone (SRG SSR)
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Roberto works for the largest public service media company in Switzerland. Starting out as an IT architect and later as an enterprise architect, he initiated an API program at SRG-SSR based on requirements coming not only from the business but also from opportunities discovered through their hackathons, in which they actively support innovation and…
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API driven capabilities in the automotive industry (Part 1) w/ John Musser (Ford Motor Company)
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“Software is eating your car” claims John Musser (Director, Platforms, Ford Autonomous Vehicles). This episode explores new affordances and unique functionalities that are triggered by a broader connectivity between vehicles, IoT devices and other elements of the transportation space. The interview delves into questions, like What opportunities do …
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API Success as a Bow Wave w/ Claire Barrett (APIsFirst Consulting)
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“Successful transformation comes from balancing trade-offs, choices between two right ways of executing” claims Claire Barrett (Director, APIsFirst Consulting). This interview explores how API success creates a bow wave for an organisation’s wider digital transformation, and why it is important to recognise the humans behind API success. It also de…
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APIs and Evolutionary Purpose w/ Ainhoa Pulido & Flavio Geraldes (Lufthansa)
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In this episode of API Resilience, Ainhoa Pulido (API Manager, Lufthansa) and Flavio Geraldes (API Manager, Lufthansa) explore the importance of purpose and innovation when it comes to creating or integrating APIs. They also delve into how crisis helps API programs evolve, and how finding the common ground in understanding and language is crucial w…
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Non-transactional Values in the API Space w/ Kin Lane (Postman)
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In the first part of the API Resilience interview Kin Lane talked about Digital Literacy & Democratizing APIs. The 2nd part of the conversation went towards more philosophical territories where Kin, Mark and Kristof explored how an essentially transactional space like APIs and digital transformation can and should still have non-transactional aspec…
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Connecting Audience & APIs w/ Aleksei Akimov (Adyen)
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“Our shared responsibility is to help industries where we belong to adopt and push forward their API programs and API community initiatives” claims Aleksei Akimov (Head of API, Adyen). In this episode we look into how an API-first payment processing company adopting the design-first methodology is able to iterate on their APIs fast, how their non-b…
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The present & future of banking APIs - Part 4 w/ Katrien Van Gijsel (KBC & Verzekering)
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It pays off to cater to both technical and business audiences, claims Katrien Van Gijsel (Business Innovation Manager, KBC & Verzekering). In this episode of API Resilience, Katrien explains how the democratization of developer experience paid off for the organization and how their partners found new ways towards digital transformation. The hosts a…
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Designing the APIs of the future w/ Mike Amundsen
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Will APIs make it possible in the future to build systems that are rather optimized for cooperation and resilience than profit and sheer growth? What is the difference between writing code for a machine vs. all the machines? Why APIs resemble creative game spaces or ant colonies, and why is it an antipattern to create sequential workflows when desi…
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About Digital Literacy & Democratizing APIs w/ Kin Lane (Postman)
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“Democratizing APIs is about making people aware that APIs exist, and that they can use them too, it’s not just for wizards on the hill […] anyone can do it”, says Kin Lane (Postman). In this week’s episode of API Resilience, he explains why digital literacy and democratizing APIs go hand in hand, and why imagination is key when you’re creating an …
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Shaking off legacy to become API-first w/ Sophie Rutard (Euler Hermes)
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In this edition of API Resilience, Sophie Rutard (Head of API, Euler Hermes) shares how a paper-centered business improved its operations by making efforts towards digital transformation – from value proposition through buy-in to API governance. She explains the pioneering spirit behind their actions, why and how a mathematical model helped, and ho…
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Personal Digital Capital and GDPR Portability - Interview w/ Mehdi Medjaoui (Apidays) Part 2
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‘People don’t look for APIs, they look for abilities,’ claims Mehdi Medjaoui (founder, Apidays). In Part 1, he explains the key elements of the API mindset and explores the challenges of API integration and discoverability. In Part 2, he presents his new vision, which focuses on GDPR portability and the trend of commercializing personal data. The h…
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Key elements of the API mindset - Interview w/ Mehdi Medjaoui (Apidays) Part 1
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‘People don’t look for APIs, they look for abilities,’ claims Mehdi Medjaoui (founder, Apidays). In Part 1, he explains the key elements of the API mindset and explores the challenges of API integration and discoverability. In Part 2, he presents his new vision, which focuses on GDPR portability and the trend of commercializing personal data. The h…
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The secret sauce of developer marketing w/ Adam DuVander (EveryDeveloper)
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Earning the trust of your developers is the first step in developer marketing, says Adam DuVander (principal consultant, EveryDeveloper). In this episode of API Resilience, he explores how product development depends on audiences, as well as on business purposes. He also shares best practices about how to communicate such goals.. The hosts are Kris…
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The present & future of banking APIs - Part 3 w/ Joris Hensen & Matthias Büscher (Deutsche Bank)
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If you believe hackathons serve little to no service in digital transformation, think again. Joris Hensen (founder, Deutsche Bank API program) and Matthias Büscher (product manager, Deutsche Bank Developer Portal) explained how an internal hackathon kicked off their API journey towards fulfilling PSD2 regulatory needs. They also explained how being…
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The evolving role of developer advocacy w/ Lorna Jane Mitchell (Vonage)
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In this episode of API Resilience, Lorna Jane Mitchell (senior developer advocate, Vonage) shares her journey as a developer advocate, OpenAPI Initiative contributor, open source enthusiast, and keen blogger, and how her role has been evolving into digital advocacy this year. She also explores the steps you can take to not to go too early into code…
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The present & future of banking APIs - Part 2 w/ Koen Adolfs (ABN AMRO)
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ABN AMRO’s API journey started when PSD2 regulations enforced adjustments. Tune in to hear Koen Adolfs’ (open banking product owner, ABN AMRO) story, and how he leveraged the community to build ABN’s DEVREL program into one of Europe’s leading banking API stories. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix) and Mark Winberry (direc…
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