Show #450 – Church and Israel

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Show #450 - Church and Israel

This video explores some fascinating insights on dispensational theology and how it shapes perspectives on Israel, the church, and end times prophecy. The concept of bilateral ecclesiology creates a theological divide between Israel and the church, leading to confusion about which scriptures apply to Gentiles. Christian Zionism is closely linked to dispensationalism, an interpretive framework invented by John Nelson Darby in the 1830s, not a biblical teaching. Darby’s unique take on Jeremiah 31:31 and the New Covenant marked a major shift in understanding God’s relationship with Israel versus the church. The dispensationalist idea of God turning his focus from the church back to Israel in the end times raises thought-provoking questions about the continued role of the Torah/Law. It’s fascinating how Romans 11, which discusses grafting in of Gentiles, factors into this complex theological debate. Attempts to blend dispensationalism with covenant theology lead to probing questions about God’s relationship with his people throughout different eras of history. Becoming part of God’s covenant people is through faith in Christ’s blood, not by becoming Jewish.

Time Stamps

• 00:00 Grace, faith, scripture, Christ, and glory to God alone; importance of staying on track, subscribing to YouTube channel, and accessing digital catalog.
• 05:55 The speaker discusses the upcoming season 11 of the show and the debate about whether to keep the music from season 10 or create new music, while also addressing the obligation of Jews to follow the Torah and the opportunity for Gentiles to follow it.
• 12:22 Christ came for the lost sheep of Israel, not just Gentiles, leading to debate over separate theological camps and the role of the Torah in the church.
• 21:36 A Jewish man explores his heritage and theology, debating whether Gentiles should be in the Catholic church and Jews in Messianic synagogues, while addressing the lack of good arguments for defining sin by ethnicity and discussing dispensationalism and the idea of the Catholic Church as the new Israel.
• 30:41 Enlargement theology sees church and Israel as the same through covenant membership, while dispensationalism and Christian Zionism have different views on the relationship between the two.
• 37:42 The speaker discusses the relationship between the church and Israel, emphasizing the idea that God relates to his people through covenants and that becoming a covenant member of Israel is through the blood of Christ.
• 43:15 Gentile identity and belief in not becoming ethnic Jews, the faith of Joshua and Caleb, the importance of a circumcised heart, and the Messianic Jewish perspective on the beginning of the church in Acts 2.
• 50:02 The speaker discusses the relevancy of the ceremonial aspects of the Mosaic law and argues that they will still apply in the future, while FFOZ and Torah Resource had a disagreement on theology and changes in their relationship.

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