Can Agentic Engineering Really Deliver Enterprise-Grade Code? | Reuven Cohen

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What makes 2025 the “Year of the Agent”?

In this episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple joined Reuven Cohen, founder of the Agentics Foundation and creator of Claude Flow, to explore how agentic engineering went from a fringe experiment to a movement reshaping how developers build software.

On the docket:

• what makes “agentic engineering” a new profession, not just a buzzword

• how hive minds and swarms mirror nature’s most efficient systems

• why large companies are “AI-washing” agent tech

• the real tradeoffs between speed, quality, and cost in agent-based dev

• how community-driven foundations are hedging against trillion-dollar corporations

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Chapter

1. Trailer and Introduction (00:00:00)

2. The Evolution of Agentic Engineering (00:02:06)

3. Challenges and Breakthroughs in Agentic Systems (00:04:23)

4. The Spark Protocol and Test-Driven Development (00:10:27)

5. Exploring the Hive Mind Approach (00:34:35)

6. Introduction to Claude Flow (00:39:11)

7. Developing with Claude Flow (00:42:56)

8. Future of Agentic Engineering (00:56:50)