Is Your Team Ready for AI-Driven Modernization? | Birgitta Böckeler

The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

What does it mean to be a developer when AI writes most of the code?
On this episode of AI Native Dev, Birgitta Böckeler, Distinguished Engineer at ThoughtWorks, joins Simon Maple to unpack how AI is changing legacy migrations, and why the real value comes from pairing LLMs with proven software engineering practices.
They also get into:
• why “AI alone” won’t solve legacy modernization
• how codemods and deterministic tools amplify AI creativity
• the reflex to rewrite vs. the discipline to refactor
• why developers need to evolve into managers of AI-driven workflows
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Chapter

1. Trailer (00:00:00)

2. Introduction (00:01:05)

3. Building with agents (00:05:28)

4. Legacy migration (00:11:33)

5. Relevant context (00:18:09)

6. Reliable validation (00:25:26)

7. Success expectation (00:29:05)

8. Changes in legacy modernisation (00:33:16)

9. The humans in the loop (00:39:54)

10. Delivery management (00:47:38)

11. The future of devs (00:50:08)

12. Outro (00:56:26)