Agentic infra changes everything (Interview)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

Adam Jacob joins us to discuss how agentic systems for building and managing infrastructure have fundamentally altered how he thinks about everything, including the last six years of his life. Along the way, he opines on the recent AWS outage, debates whether we’re in an AI-induced bubble, quells any concerns of AGI and a robot uprising, eats some humble pie, and more.

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Show Notes:

• Anthropic on agentic misalignment
• System Initiative

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Chapter

1. This week on The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Namespace (00:01:13)

https://namespace.so

3. Start the show! (00:02:55)

4. The AWS outage (00:03:56)

5. The public's response (00:07:37)

6. The cloud exodus (00:11:00)

7. Taking control back (00:15:32)

8. Who will build it (00:20:50)

9. Maybe not a bubble (00:26:33)

10. Sponsor: Tiger Data (00:31:49)

https://www.tigerdata.com

11. Robot uprising concerns (00:33:27)

12. Back to the practical (00:35:37)

13. AGI locked in the basement (00:39:27)

14. Real-world value (00:41:15)

15. From the horse to the car (00:42:59)

16. Changing Adam's mind (00:45:56)

17. Humility required (00:49:40)

18. Infra people resist (00:52:29)

19. Practical AI slop (00:56:19)

20. Sponsor: Notion (01:02:41)

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21. Babysitting or nah? (01:04:29)

22. Improving the loop (01:07:43)

23. A post-AI language (01:09:34)

24. Paying the piper (01:13:33)

25. The agent is the glue (01:15:29)

26. System Init's sauce (01:18:52)

27. What 'custom model' means (01:22:27)

28. Humans in the loop (01:24:44)

29. The MS-DOS era (01:28:05)

30. Positioning System Init (01:31:54)

31. The cloud OS? (01:35:45)

32. The on-prem situation (01:39:40)

33. Selling more than hiring (01:43:10)

34. The sales approach (01:52:31)

35. Every single deal (01:55:24)

36. Wrapping up (02:01:54)

37. Closing thoughts (02:02:20)