Co-hosted by recovery advocates Lisa Smith and Tawny Lara. A rock and roll-loving Gen X lawyer in 12-step recovery from addiction to alcohol and drugs. An equally rock-obsessed Millennial writer who found addiction recovery through blogging. Give them a couple microphones and you get the Recovery Rocks podcast, a new kind of discussion about the issues impacting those who struggle and recover, reflecting different perspectives, but finding much in common.
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Recovery Rockstars UNCUT is a show dedicated to uniting the recovery community. We deliver inspirational recovery stories and highlight the recovery lifestyle.
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Episode 231: Episode 231: Outrage Overload and Staying Sober
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Tawny and Lisa talk about how the 24/7 news cycle, algorithmically designed to spark extreme reactions, can make us feel overwhelmed and sometimes hopeless. They go back to their sobriety tool kits to not only keep them sober, but to reset their thinking. This includes remembering where they are in the moment, reminding themselves of what they can …
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Episode 230: Episode 230: Addiction is a Family Disease
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Tawny and Lisa talk about addiction as a family disease. Whether it’s with your birth family or your chosen family (or both!), healing individually and as unit can break cycles of addiction and unhealthy behaviors. They both talk about their experiences with their families and how it’s an imperfect journey that never really ends. Music Minute featu…
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Episode 229: Episode 229: TikTok, Self-Diagnosing Disorders, and Mental Health in Schools
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A recent article in The New York Times discussed two recent studies that cast doubt on whether large-scale mental health interventions are making young people better. But most specialists in adolescent mental health still agree that lack of access to treatment is the biggest problem young people face, along with the damage social media can do. Tawn…
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Episode 228: Episode 228: Trauma Recovery Through Art
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Tawny and Lisa talk with composer Melissa Dunphy, an award-winning composer who specializes in vocal, political, and theatric music. Her work includes, LISTEN (2019), two choral movements set to testimony by Anita Hill in 1991 and Christine Blasey Ford in 2018. They talk about creating art as a tool for healing trauma and understanding ourselves. C…
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Episode 227: Episode 227: Music in Recovery with Emmy Jo
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Emmy Jo, an indie-soul pop musician based in New York City. Emmy Jo's first viral moment came with her Spotify single "yellow year". Her music, self-dubbed "sad girl bangers," creates a space where melancholy meets infectious beats, inviting listeners to share in the collective human experience. They get into mental health, h…
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Episode 226: Episode 226: Catching Up!
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Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on lately. Tawny has been settling into post-book tour and post-(parentheses) launch life and taking time to go to cultural events and see live music. Lisa spent time in Nashville to speak at a benefit for the Women’s Center at Cumberland Heights, a nonprofit addiction treatment center. They also talk ab…
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Episode 225: Episode 225: Loneliness and Food Cravings
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Tawny and Lisa talk about a recent article in The Washington Post, "Why Loneliness is Associated with Food Cravings in Some Women." It reports on a new study that suggests that alterations in the lonely brain may be why some women are more susceptible to unhealthy food choices. And why they often crave sweet, calorie-rich foods, in particular. They…
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Meet Jessica Yaffa, my good friend who is an incredibly special person. She is hosting a relational wellness women’s weekend retreat where YOU will Immerse yourself in a connective weekend journey that prioritizes nurturing the most important bonds in your life – the ones you have with yourself and the people around you. The retreat is taking place…
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Episode 224: Episode 224: Tawny’s Changing Relationship with Substances
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Tawny gives Lisa an update on her changing relationship with substances, which she wrote about in her recent newsletter. They talk about her discovery of plant medicine and its benefits for her. They also talk harm reduction and stigma. For both Tawny and Lisa, it all comes down to the fact that one day at a time is the only approach that actually …
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Episode 223: Episode 223: People Pleasing is Over
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Tawny and Lisa talk about Tawny’s recent Beyond Liquid Courage newsletter, "People Pleasing is Over." She learned through years of recovery and therapy that her people-pleasing is tied to her codependency. Lisa learned in early recovery that if she didn’t stop always trying to please others, she wasn’t going to be able to stay sober. People pleasin…
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Episode 222: Episode 222: Declining the Invitation
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Tawny and Lisa talk about being discerning with what we add to our plates and what we say “no” to. Our tendency to be “people pleasers” means we end up saying yes to things we don’t want or need to do to avoid disappointing others. But oftentimes, that concern can be misplaced or exaggerated. We can also tweak the way we accept invitations if they …
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Episode 221: Episode 221: Gambling Addiction
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Steve Rose, an addiction counselor specializing in gambling addiction, with a Ph.D in sociology. Tune in for a fascinating conversation about how gambling addiction is on the rise. This trend is closely linked to broader addictive behaviors such as smartphone and social media usage, which draw on many of the same psychologica…
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Episode 220: Episode 220: Poetry for Recovery
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Camille St Martin, an author and recovery advocate who recently released Spilled, her book of poetry inspired by her recovery journey. Like so many of us, she felt alone in her drinking spiral and found relief and catharsis in writing. Poetry was a passion she had as a teen and sobriety brought her the chance to reconnect wit…
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Episode 219: Episode 219: Boisson, Book Proposals, and Bestie Catch-Up
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Tawny talks about what’s going on with Dry Humping six months out and how she’s promoting her new drink, (parentheses). She’s also teaching a class on writing a nonfiction book proposal on May 22nd. They also talk about Lisa’s 20th SoBerthday and how indie non-alcoholic bottle shops are the heartbeat of the burgeoning non-alcoholic drink industry. …
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Episode 218: Episode 218: Recovery Rock Stars: Art Alexakis of Everclear
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Art Alexakis, frontman for Everclear, one of the defining bands of the 1990s, still going strong. Art has almost 35 years of recovery, living very much one day at a time. They talk about recovery and Art’s writing process, including the iconic song, “Father of Mine.” They also discuss what it takes to know when you’re done wi…
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Episode 217: Episode 217: Glimmers: The Opposite of Triggers
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Tawny and Lisa talk about “glimmers,” mini-moments of calm and even joy. Glimmers are the opposite of triggers. They create a subtle, but meaningful mood shift. Think of how you feel when you pet a dog or hear a song you love. They also talk about “golden shadows,” which, similar to glimmers, are small bright spots that break through when doing dif…
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Episode 216: Episode 216: How to Set Up Your Home Up for Recovery
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Tawny and Lisa talk about creating a home that supports your recovery. This can look different for everyone. It can range from clearing out anything you might find triggering, to setting up a space that makes you feel calm and content, to changing up your routine on arriving home. Like everything in recovery, it’s a process that doesn’t happen over…
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Episode 215: Episode 215: Why Do People in Recovery Getting into the Mental Health Field?
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Raam Roch Hai and Dr. Anthony Foster, Co-CEOs and Founders of AHA! Recovery, a new approach to treating substance use disorders. They discuss the effectiveness of therapists who are themselves in recovery working with others seeking recovery or supporting a loved one. AHA! Recovery blends three evidence-based therapeutics pra…
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Episode 214: Episode 214: Young and Sober with Alex Kosinski
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Tawny and Lisa talk with Alex Kosinski, a 20-something sober friend, who’s building a new life in his adopted city of San Diego. They talk sober dating, healthy habits, and being open to new experiences. Alex finds connection through pursuing passions like fitness, chess and studying Spanish, as well as leaning into the local recovery community. Mu…
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Episode 213: Episode 213: Boundaries, Codependency and Energy Vampires
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Tawny and Lisa talk codependency, something many folks in recovery grapple with. Melody Beattie, author of Codependent No More, defines codependency as, “The concept of losing one’s self while taking care of another.” Anticipating other people’s needs all the time leads to anxiety, projection, and manipulation. The answer is to stop trying to contr…
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Episode 212: Episode 212: Gray Area Drinking with Jolene Park
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Jolene Park, founder of Healthy Discoveries. Jolene is a functional nutritionist and a pioneer in the area of “gray area drinking,” the kind where there’s no rock bottom, but where one drinks to manage anxiety and later regrets how often or how much they drink. They talk about Jolene’s recent Substack piece on the online sobe…
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Episode 211: Episode 211: Catching Up on Life, Books, Movies and TV!
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Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on so far this year. They also share some of their latest picks for reading and watching. Tawny has finally had some time to decompress from all of the book tour craziness. Lisa has been diving into all kinds of distractions to try to keep things light in a challenging year. Music Minute features Taylor …
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Episode 210: Episode 210: Eating Disorders, Consent, and Elvis with Paulina Pinsky
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Paulina Pinsky (she/they), a writer, writing coach, and figure skater living in Los Angeles. She writes the Substack newsletter "newly sober" and she is the co-author of the teen guide to consent IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AWKWARD. They talk about Paulina’s experience and recovery, including incorporating TCB (Trust, Compassion an…
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Episode 209: Episode 209: After Dry January
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Now that Dry January is in the rearview mirror, what comes next? Tawny and Lisa discuss how taking a break from booze gives us an opportunity to be intentional and consider what a dry or damp month can provide. Maybe it helped to identify triggers and stressors – including people – and how you might handle them without alcohol going forward. Maybe …
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Episode 208: Episode 208: Mommy Wine Culture with Stefanie Wilder-Taylor
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Stefanie Wilder-Taylor, an author, TV personality, and cohost of the popular podcast For Crying Out Loud, about her new book, DRUNK-ISH: Loving and Leaving Alcohol. She is the co-host of the podcasts, For Crying Out Loud, Rose Pricks, and Bored A.F. She co-created and hosted the late-night comedy parenting show Parental Discr…
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Episode 207: Episode 207: Good News and Sad News: Announcing Our Card Deck & Honoring Matthew Perry
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Tawny and Lisa announce their new card deck out next fall! The Sobriety Deck is for anyone making the choice not to drink today, whether sober or sober-curious. It will provide support, guidance and inspiration in an easy-to-use format that can be drawn on anytime you need a little boost or help. While the deck is a real light, they also discuss th…
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Episode 206: Episode 206: Productivity Dysmorphia
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Tawny discovered a name for the Venn diagram of burnout, imposter syndrome, and work addiction than many of us struggle with: Productivity Dysmorphia. Focused on output and feeling like we’re never doing enough, productivity dysmorphia keeps us from understanding how much we truly do and have already done. To fight it, we can recognize it as a feel…
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Episode 205: Episode 205: Heading into 2024
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Tawny and Lisa talk about what’s ahead in 2024. It’s a Strength card year in the Tarot – showing up and standing with a lion. And we know it’s going to be a challenging year in U.S. with so much at stake in our election. How do we take care of ourselves? One day at a time, for sure. And also asking, how can I “go first” in my life, while still show…
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Episode 204: Episode 204: Special Guest Dr. Brooke Scheller
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Dr. Brooke Scheller, the creator of Functional Sobriety and New York City’s top nutritionist specializing in alcohol use. Her new book, How to Eat to Change How You Drink, is a guide to leverage food and nutrition to reduce or eliminate alcohol consumption, develop mindfulness, and promote a healthier relationship with alcoho…
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On this episode I speak with Jamie Fay, the Co-Founder and CEO of Rationale Brewing, a kick-ass non-alcoholic brew. After losing both of his parents to alcoholism, Jamie was having a deep conversation with his son about being responsible as he was heading off to college. It was this conversation about the importance of moderation and the family's h…
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Episode 203: Episode 203: Fur Babies & Mental Health with Special Guest Carrie Finch, LCSW of PAWS NY
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Tawny and Lisa talk with Carrie Finch, Deputy Director of PAWS NY, an organization which provides pet care support to older adults and individuals living with illness, substance abuse, or disability in New York City, allowing these families to stay together and thrive. PAWS NY recently launched a new Substance Use Recovery Program, which provides f…
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Episode 202: Episode 202: Sobriety & Money with Special Guest Jill Sirianni, LCSW of Frugal Friends Podcast
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Tawny and Lisa interview Jill Sirianni, co-host of the podcast Frugal Friends, which aims to change how we think about frugality. It does not mean being cheap. Frugal living intersects with minimalism, simple living and sustainability. Many of us have financial stress, often left over from when we abused substances. They talk about how practicing c…
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Episode 201: Episode 201: Special Guest Gina Moffa, LCSW on Grief
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Tawny and Lisa interview Gina Moffa, author of the new book Moving On Doesn’t Mean Letting Go: A Modern Guide to Navigating Loss. Grief can show up over a death, the end of a friendship or relationship, or an ambiguous loss. Gina takes an honest look at how grief affects our lives and provides a heartfelt, practical map through the dark terrain of …
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Episode 200: Episode 200: Our 200th Episode! And the Being Sober for the Holidays
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Tawny and Lisa celebrate 200 episodes of Recovery Rocks and send a giant thank you to all of the listeners! It’s also the fifth holiday episode. They talk about getting through the season in a way that keeps their recoveries strong. That means planning ahead, setting boundaries, and taking time for themselves. As always, “No,” is a complete sentenc…
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Tawny and Lisa talk about burnout, a term that’s everywhere these days, but can sometimes be hard to spot in ourselves. A recent article from The New York Times, "Your Body Knows When it's Burned Out," lays out both the symptoms of burnout and how you might address them. It helps to recognize burnout when it begins to appear. Then we are able to qu…
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Episode 198: Episode 198: Rites of Passage
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Tawny got married! She and Lisa talk about life milestones and rites of passage sans alcohol. While being grateful for living lives beyond what they expected when quitting booze, they also recognize that there are no guarantees in life. They talk about not relying on external events (marriage, moves, kids) to “fix” their lives. The most important t…
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Episode 197: Episode 197: On Quitting Everything With Special Guest Freda Love Smith
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Tawny and Lisa welcome writer, teacher, and retired indie rock drummer, Freda Love Smith. Her new memoir, I Quit Everything explores addiction, intoxication, and the twilight of her musical career. They talked about Freda’s experiment taking time off from alcohol, sugar, caffeine, weed, and social media during the pandemic. For some people, those n…
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Episode 196: Episode 196: Grief in Sobriety With Special Guest Katie Mack
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Tawny’s and Lisa’s good friend Katie Mack is back to talk about her latest project, #UGLYCRY, a one-woman show onstage in New York. Based on a true story, after the death of her ex-boyfriend, Mack, a grieving, social media-obsessed millennial brings him back to life with her phone. They talk about how grief looks different for everyone and changes …
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Episode 195: Episode 195: Our Bodies. Our Brains
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Tawny and Lisa talk about the importance of taking care of their bodies, which helps them take care of their brains. Tawny recently had bronchitis and when her doctor asked if she was using her asthma inhaler, she had forgotten all about her asthma! When she used it, it totally helped. Lisa has issues with her back and while she knows her physical …
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On this episode I sit down with MJ Gottlieb, the Co-Founder and CEO at Loosid App. We talk about Loosid, an app created for those who choose a sober lifestyle and MJ shares about his struggles with addiction and how he got and stays sober. Make sure to download the Loosid app. More info here: https://loosidapp.com/…
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Episode 194: Episode 194: Books, Books, Books
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Tawny and Lisa went on reading sprees over the summer (nothing new – Tawny has already read 42 books this year!). They talk about some of their recent favorites, including RIPE, YELLOWFACE, OLD ENOUGH, and THE LAST CHAIRLIFT. They’re all new books from both emerging authors and an old favorite (John Irving) and all have compelling, unique messages.…
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Episode 193: Episode 193: Leaning into Negative Feelings
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Recent research suggests that people who habitually judge negative feelings — such as sadness, fear and anger — as bad or inappropriate have more anxiety and depression symptoms and feel less satisfied with their lives than people who generally perceive their negative emotions in a positive or neutral light. Tawny and Lisa discuss how they try to k…
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Episode 192: Episode 192: Showing Up for Others
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One of the things Tawny and Lisa love about sober life is being able to show up for other people, often people they couldn’t truly show up for before. But showing up isn’t always on our time – we don’t control who plans what and when. They talk about those times and how they handle them. Tawny was in a wedding the weekend before her book launch! Cl…
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Episode 191: Episode 191: Special Guest Amanda Kuda
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Tawny and Lisa talk with Amanda Kuda, an alcohol-free lifestyle expert and the author of the upcoming book, Unbottled Potential: Break Up with Alcohol and Break Through To Your Best Life. Amanda is also a holistic life coach and speaker. She teaches a modern approach to personal development, self-actualization and spiritual enlightenment through th…
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Episode 190: Episode 190: DRY HUMPING (Tawny’s book) IS HERE!
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Tawny’s officially a published author! Her book, DRY HUMPING, is the book she needed when she was newly sober and terrified of dating and intimacy. Tawny’s book baby is out and on sale wherever you get your books! Tawny and Lisa talk all about DRY HUMPING and how it will help readers on sober and sober-curious journeys have better dates, sex, and p…
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Episode 189: Episode 189: Pre-Launch Catch Up
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Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on this summer. DRY HUMPING is out September 19! Tawny talks about recording her audiobook, pre-launch stress and how she’s managing the things she can’t control. Lisa talks about her presentation to first-year law students at Vanderbilt Law School and how important it is for young people going into high…
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Episode 188: Episode 188: Special Guest Celeste Yvonne
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Tawny and Lisa chat with Celeste Yvonne, author of It’s Not About the Wine: The Loaded Truth About Mommy Wine Culture. She is a certified sober coach (IAPRC) with over 20 years of experience as a communications professional in corporate America. Her writing has been featured in The Washington Post, Good Morning America, The Wall Street Journal, and…
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