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Cultivate the Ordinary

Travis and Jessie Vangsnes

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The great writer Walker Percy gifted the world with an inspiring and thought provoking line with his words: "Consciously cultivate the ordinary." So many of us today find ourselves living in a foggy and disorienting world where we are held captive to hectic schedules, polarizing news narratives, and our addiction to technology. We find ourselves continuously battling things like isolation, anxiety, fear, boredom, and apathy. What if instead of being held captive we could find ourselves capti ...
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In this episode, Travis is joined by his father-in-law Jim Dotson to talk about his love of bugs and seeing God in nature. Jim has a deep love of nature and still at age 71 studies it with childlike curiosity. He is an entomologist (insect expert) and worked for many years for Bayer's crop science and pest control departments. He talks about his jo…
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In this episode, Jess, a trauma-informed resilience coach and a living testament to overcoming mind-body syndrome and chronic pain patterns shares her experiences in the world of chronic pain and its psycho-somatic nature. Travis shares a funny story about his “pet wheel.” Jess provides answers to the most pressing questions surrounding chronic pai…
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In this episode, Danny Smith joins Travis and Jess to talk about a really common experience so many of us face--chronic pain. Danny shares his personal experiences and story around suffering from debilitating chronic back pain for years. He tried everything to help his back find relief and was at the point of total despair and desperation when he h…
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In this episode, Travis and Jess are joined by Sarah and Jared McCrory to talk about everything from soul care to seeking the easy yoke of Jesus to discovering new purpose and taking courageous risks of faith. They tell relatable stories of wrestling with the trap of a faith identity rooted in performance for God instead of resting in our belovedne…
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In this episode, Travis and Jess are joined by pastor and ministry leader Rusty McKie to talk about his upcoming book releasing July 16th, pre-order here: The Art of Stability: How Staying Present Changes Everything Available on Amazon (Digital only) Rusty is an author, pastor, trauma informed coach, and spiritual director. He's a contributor to th…
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In this episode, Travis interviews Jess about her journey of helping people find wholeness and healing in their lives. As an artist, Jess has a great gift of seeing possibility and beauty in places others may not. Her deep compassion and empathy for others, coupled with her hopeful and creative idealism, make her really skilled in helping people fi…
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In this episode, Christa Hardin (MA Counseling) joins Travis and Jess again to talk marriage and ways we can become healthier as individuals and within our marriages. Christa helps us unpack what healthy boundaries are, how to establish them for ourselves, for our marriages, and finally in community. Cultivating the ordinary in marriage happens in …
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In this episode, Travis and Jess are joined by Christa Hardin (MA Counseling) to talk marriages and relationships. She brings wise perspective on the various stages of marriages and speaks into the common reality of so many couples feeling they have lost their glow, or spark. Using a mountain analogy, she walks us through the basics needs of relati…
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In this episode, professional artist Tamara Brown joins Travis and Jess and shares her inspiring story of becoming a self-made artist and entrepreneur after leaving the corporate world. Her unlikely journey led her to gaining a licensed partnership in 2011 with a major national greeting card company and her designs were featured on cards in Walmart…
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In this episode, Travis and Jess talk all things foster care in light of May being National Foster Care Awareness Month. They both work for the national org, America's Kids Belong whose mission is to improve the outcomes and experiences for kids in foster care. Travis and Jess are former foster and adoptive parents and are very passionate in helpin…
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Travis and Jess are joined by Michelle Wegner to discuss the topic of beauty. They talk about beauty and its relationship to God, our souls, and why we need beauty in our lives. There's a fascinating connection between beauty, grace, and truth that the three also discuss. As the Benedictines say, "Beauty is truth shining into being." Michelle serve…
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Many of us long to escape our difficult lives and the contexts we live in. We wish we could see things with the joy and child like wonder we used to have. Marcel Proust once said, "The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes." Travis and Jess discuss the things that cloud our eyesight and what it means…
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In this episode, Travis and Jess engage with Bob Harding on a fun and lively conversation around seeing the world and finding meaning in our stories through quotes. Bob is the pastor at CrossLife Church in Spartanburg, SC. He wrote the foreword to Travis' book Shiny Eyes: Seeing Better Through the Lenses of Joy, Tears, Beauty, and Hope. He and Trav…
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In this episode, bi-vocational pastor, Jeremy Sparks joins Travis on a thought provoking conversation around Jeremy's unique vantage of seeing the world through the lenses of being both a pastor and firefighter. These two roles remind Jeremy everyday just how fleeting life is. The two discuss Jeremy's vision and heart for the church he planted 10 y…
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In this episode, Travis and Jess talk all facets of hospitality with their friend and President of the Soul Care Institute, Kaylene Derksen. There's plenty of laughs at the outset as the conversation steers around Northern accents, cows, and reminiscing about growing up on farms in the upper Midwest. Kaylene and her husband Jimm are gifted in the a…
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Travis and Jess host Steve Smith again in this part 2 episode, where they talk about the ministry of spiritual direction. At its core, spiritual direction is about companioning with someone who helps discern where God has been and is at work in one's life through intentional listening and prayer. It's really less about "direction" and more about be…
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In this episode, Travis and Jess interview their good friend and mentor Steve Smith. After years of relentlessly chasing the intoxication of results and "success" in ministry as a pastor, Steve was beyond burnout at a large church in 1996. It was then that he received the life giving guidance and soul care direction from his mentor, Dallas Willard …
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In this episode, Travis and Jess engage their friend Serena Salmans on a conversation that centers around joy and contentment through tragedy and adversity. Serena suffered a traumatic brain injury in high school and talks about dramatically feeling God's providence and presence in the midst of those hard days. They also talk about foster care and …
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In this episode, Sahn Dove, aka "Sahn the Poet," joins Travis and Jess on the podcast in a conversation on words, poetry, and insights about her spoken word craft. Sahn's biggest source of inspiration is her husband, Dove Dupree, who is also a spoken word poet and musician. She's also been deeply influenced and inspired by spoken word artists, Jay …
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Two months of living with a Sydney Sweeney/Glen Powell pairing and we can't go back to anything else. Well... maybe, Zoey Deutch. After some hesitation based on years of mistrust one co-host finally took his wife to a proper date night movie with plenty of butt stuff (comedic) and shirtless men (steamy) while one host remains at home for yet anothe…
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In this episode, Travis hosts his brother Dan for a part two conversation. This time the topic centers around their brother Jeremy's life and the past and present stories of him deeply impacting others despite having no voice. Jeremy suffered a severe traumatic brain injury in a car accident in 2009 and has not been able to speak. He is able to com…
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In this episode, Travis hosts his brother Dan as they look back at the journey of suffering and adversity that their family has endured since 2009. That summer three of Travis' brothers were in a tragic rollover car wreck in Montana that changed the trajectory of their lives and the family's forever. Jeremy was originally pronounced dead and then g…
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In this episode, Travis engages in a fascinating conversation with Everett Conaway on the art of woodworking and the themes of beauty, creativity, and wonder. Everett also shares thoughts on how his faith converges with his craft and how he sees/feels God's presence in the workshop. The two also discuss worshipping God through our gifts and imaging…
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In this episode, Travis and Jess have a conversation around travel and discuss the fun of seeing new places and experiencing new things. They talk about how these experiences also lead us to cultivate more wonder and curiosity as we journey into the unknown. You'll hear about the time Travis bought a Greyhound bus off Ebay and how that turned out. …
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In this episode, Travis and Jess talk with their good friend Danny Smith-lead singer/songwriter for the band Wasperjaws. They reminisce on meeting one another over a decade ago while working at a children's home in South Carolina. Danny talks about the story behind Wasperjaws' name and the adventures of forming a local four piece band as a fun side…
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In this episode, Travis and Jess discuss marriage and what it means to seek better connection in the everyday together. Jess shares what she finds really beautiful lately and the answer surprised Travis. They talk about what it looks like to "live unhurried" and be more present. They also share about ways to repair and restore connection following …
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**This is the first of a two part series on conflict and connection in relationships. In this episode, Travis and Jess (trauma informed, Enneagram and Marriage coaches) share honestly about their own struggles when it comes to navigating conflict in healthy ways in their marriage. They talk about the three ways people generally respond to conflict.…
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In this episode, our discussion centers around the topic of New Year's resolutions (and lofty goals) and why up to 80% of them fail for most of us. Travis and Jessie talk about their own New Year's resolutions. Travis goes on a rabbit trail about beards and shares about his New Year's goal around better beard grooming and "bearding responsibly" in …
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In this episode, Travis and Jess talk about the themes of wonder, curiosity, and creativity. They ask questions like: "Where does our childlike wonder go?" and "How can boredom lead to curiosity?" They also discuss how God can sometimes dramatically show up in our moments of creativity and curiosity and spark something special. You'll also hear abo…
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In this episode, Travis and Jessie introduce themselves and talk about the idea that sparked the podcast. They also describe their vision for who this podcast is for and what it means to "cultivate the ordinary" in the everyday. Travis reminisces about the difficult journey of caring for his dad with crippling dementia and how he found inspiration …
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On March 19, 1993 even Bridget Fonda confused Dermot Mulroney with Dylan McDermott. Doesn't matter. He's just a man who will be fed ravioli erotically. And we all win by witnessing this act. Do we thank Gabriel Byrne? Anne Bancroft? Who trained Ms. Fonda to be the ultimate assassin and supportive life partner? If you believe these show notes are to…
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Harmony Korine made the A24 version of MIAMI VICE... ...and still the world was not satisfied. Including your hosts! Mainly the one from Florida who does not recognize the rap success from his home area as portrayed by James Franco. Meanwhile another host lives in fear of the alternate version of this film that stars Emma Watson. This film does not…
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Thirty years of Brad Pitt making everyone look ugly. For some reason we decided to cheat a bit this week and fulfill a promise to Mr. Robert Redford and complete his own 1992 double feature after SNEAKERS with him behind the camera for A RIVER RUNS THROUGH IT. He also talks all throughout this film as the narrator which offends our sensibilities as…
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Thirty years of a Frenchman playing an Italian discovering America. But not really. Perhaps even less impressive than the discovery of this great country is the decision to cover not one but TWO Christopher Columbus movies from the year of 1992. Mistakes were made. Such as: One host continuously mistaking one Scott brother for another. This is a Ri…
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Thirty years of everyone hating Kevin Spacey. The only closing you get on SOBER CINEMA is an explanation on how Jack Lemmon is a "soy boy" and a debate on if Ed Harris would be the best or worst co-worker in the office. Also if we have time we talk about Al Pacino having better bowel movements than perhaps anyone in the history of this planet. Natu…
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The heat in 1992 was of course on The Great Madeline Stowe. One host says that this movie is better than HEAT. The other two hosts, as much as they love Madeline Stowe, have to stay sharp. On the edge. Where they gotta be. They also may have confused this with Tom Cruise in THE LAST SAMURAI. Only you the listener can decide. Support what we do on P…
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Thirty years of Robert Redford vilifying the bald. Our official career retrospective episode on the work of Sidney Poitier is finally here as he is naturally compared to... Brad Pitt. Who is not in SNEAKERS. But Mary McDonnell is as the honeypot, River Phoenix as a simp before that was common vernacular (RIP by the way) and David Strathairn as a ma…
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Thirty years of Nicolas Cage having outbursts. Although HONEYMOON IN VEGAS is slightly more pleasant than his Oscar-winning turn in LEAVING LAS VEGAS. Your dedicated author of these show notes will not bring Elisabeth Shue into this fight as INDECENT PROPOSAL casts a large shadow over this far sillier version of a fiancee being sold as an escort to…
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Thirty years of Benicio del Toro being the best part of every movie. Not that he's playing a nice guy here. But can one expect perfect gentlemen in a film on the exploits of Christopher Columbus. Well in 1992 this was the DEEP IMPACT to Ridley Scott's ARMAGEDDON as America got two dull movies on this jerk. So we open things up with suspecting our g…
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Thirty years of actors from the sitcom WINGS wrecking havoc. Or maybe it's starring in the unfortunate ABC mini-series of THE SHINING? Whatever the origin of evil we find ourselves suffering along with poor Bridget Fonda as that once sweet heartbreaker from FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH forms the worst co-parenting relationship over a dog. And then …
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